Collective Piccolo upgrade

Well, it's rather simple. Get a complete tail rotor assembly the simplest one available with single bearings in each grip (T & T metal tail rotor for Xcell is what I would choose). Now with it just like this there will be no flybar that means it will be more sensitive. Now for the flybar assmbly, (this is where it gets tricky)... Well you know what since I don't have a Piccolo yet I'm going to ask what is the diameter of the mainshaft is this will determine whether the flybar can be incorporated. Also, for the swashplate I'm sure you have all heard of the new Hornet. I did a little research and found that the swash of the Hornet has three 90 degree points. This can be set up for 90 degree CCPM. The lower and upper bases of the Hornets swash plates cost 12.10 each. The size of the bearing I don't know but I'll see what it is when I get it. As for the flybar let me know the diameter of the main shaft and I'll see if a flybar can be added. Oh yeah, the propellers show another problem, what I plan to do is get the cheap blades for 20 bucks and cut them down to size or if you have experience in making blades make your own and I would suggest symmetrical. Thank you.

YoungAeroEngineerAge14 (are you really 14 years old?), great idea on using the tail rotor assembly. This will definately make it easier. Hey, I thought I saw Paul mentioned using the tail rotor assembly in another thread. Have you been corresponding with Paul? Or does Paul have ESP .

Actually I'm 15 now, I want to be an aeronautical engineer so changing a fixed pitch chopper to collective set a little challenge for me. And the T/R was my idea, just thought about it last night and another thing to JT if you can get the flybar in the same plane as the main rotor like on the Kyosho Concept 46VR your control would be greatly improved. This is why I want to use the T/R assembly. Thank you

I just came up with a better idea that will allow you to get the flybar in the same plane. Get the blade grips from a tail rotor and put solder an adapter above it. Drill slots for the flybar and slide it through.

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YAE14,

Why do you think that having the flybar inline is superior?

The head will have to be made so that the flybar pivots independently, so making it inline will only increase the complexity, and thus weight. This is not necessarily good.

I don't recall that an inline flybar is in any way superior to one that is mounted above or below the head. It is just more aesthetically pleasing. Many helicopters, even the world class 3D machines, have flybars separate from the head.

Is there something you have learned/read that would suggest the inline flybar would be better? Let me know if you have, I would be interested in hearing about it.

Phil.

Ok now I guess I will answer his question.

The main rotor shaft (according to the manual) is 3mmx98mm according to the manual.

Sounds like a great idea useing a tail assembly

b,.

I would like to be an aeronautical engineer also and I am 16. Funny, because I recently had almost the same exact idea as YoungAeroEngineerAge14. I just finished building my hornet a couple days ago and I can now hover it for about a minute, I think that is pretty good for my first heli. Anyways, I also noticed the CCPM capabilities of the hornet swashplate. I guess great minds think alike . I am haveing a hard time overcoming the urge to take it apart and modify it, I really want to learn to fly before I do that. Happy flying...

-Matt

Actually having the flybar inline with the blades is superior or having it above the blades. If you look at most of the high end helicopters you will notice that most of them have High- flybars...Look at the Caliber. The higher the flybar the more stable it is when cyclic and collective is given. As for it being in-line, the flybar kind of splits the the air and well it's hard to explain but if you look at the highly overpowered Concept 46VR you'll see what I mean and not to mention the 46VR was specifically meant for aerobatics...

Why do u need the flybar?

U can just use the ECO8 tail assembly at a aluminium rotorhead. If u connect that setup to a 3 servo computerized TX u have a rigid head - there is a conversion article available with this setup for the eco8 series.

I might give this a try

Good point..but I would want one for stability during hover