QUICK QUESTION, ABOUT PITCH ANGLES

I want to set up my pinnacle properly Im not getting enought positive pitch at mid stick. And Im gonna have to do it mechanically, but I was wondering what sort of pitch angle should I be aiming for at half stick. Been looking at radds school of rotary and cant find any details.

Maybe this is one of those things you have to gauge yourself to the indevidual heli?

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I want to set up my pinnacle properly Im not getting enought positive pitch at mid stick

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Not sure what you are saying! Mid-stick should be 0 pitch.

[rdn1153]

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I want to set up my pinnacle properly Im not getting enought positive pitch at mid stick

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Not sure what you are saying! Mid-stick should be 0 pitch.

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I'm new to CP, so I will probably sound stupid here (again) but wouldn't you want mid stick to be just enough pitch to hover?

At first I thought my mid stick should be neutral pitch i.e zero degrees. However this is not sufficient for takeoff Im thinking, My midstick is already zero degrees thats how I set it up. Im thinking this might be one of those things you have to play by ear

[will p2]

Where do you want it to hover on the tx stick?.
this is what i do ,i set the pitch to its max and min without out binding using the atvs and then i use the curves to alter where i want it to sit in hover(doesnt matter what the pitch),then i smooth it out either side depending on weather i want big lift of or gentle lift of then big up and away,you know what i mean.
Become one with the chopper and feel what it is doing in your hand,i can gentle let it sit ther in between my fingers in hover and check and adjust the pitch curves.
It all came together for me when i realsied that each point is a point on the stick and when i move my stick it shows on the radio what point i am at.
Getting the pitch curves set up make a beast into a pussy cat.

[Robdog007]

Why do you have to do it mechanically? Does your radio not have pitch and throttle curves?

This is up to you, everyone sets theirs up differently. No, you don't sound stupid. We all went through this at one time or another.

If you are building a pinnacle, I'm assuming you'll be doing aerobatics (this is like a Ferrari for micro helis). Sooner or later you'll want to do loops and maybe even go inverted. You'll need all the positive and negative pitch available to get the best performance. The best way to do this is to set the 0 pitch at mid-stick (transmitter). From there you can get used to hovering just above mid-stick and you won't really go into negative unless you need it. That way when you need it it's there.

(Heli) Basically, the 0 pitch on your heli (blades flat) should be in the middle of your slider. Then with the slider all the way up, you'll get full postive pitch. I think you should be able to get at least 10 degrees. You can play with the pitch adjusting screws simultaneously to get the desired pitch. Once you set that up, you can play with your trasmitter modes to set up flying preferences.

Like I said, this is your own preference and what you are comfortable with. Just experiments and have fun.

[patmore]

Wildstallion,
First off, as Willp said, you need to decide where you want your hover point to be - midStick or threeQuarterStick. Here's a little blurb to help you decide:

midStick
Provides more positive than negative pitch. Good for beginners, not so much negative at bottom stick to reduce the chance of flying into the ground. Full stick movements provide approx 5 degrees of movement in both directions from centre stick. Panic induced stick movements tend not to be crash threatening. Centre stick hovering feels more natural.

threeQuarterStick
Provides a true representation of your position within the pitch curve via a linear curve. Symmetrical pitch curves are possible with this set up. Allows 3D type manouveres due to matching negative and positive pitch values. Can be very sensitive on the collective control, big risk of flying into the ground due to large amounts of negative pitch.

My advise and what I do is set your model up mechanically to achieve as close to 0 degrees at centre stick, adjust top and bottom ATV's to stop binding, reduce your bottom end pitch to a comfortable amount, make points 1 to 3 linear on your transmitter and fly. You may need to adjust your top end point to eliminate head bogging. The advantage of this set up is the best of both worlds. You have dialled out a lot of negative but you are still learning to hover at threeQuarterStick. This way, when your ready to dial in more negative, you don't have to learn to hover all over again.

[dongle]

just to follow up on Neil there - I had my floating flybar head set up so that it was at 0 pitch at centre stick, and nearly slammed it into the floor several times. Neil suggested the above to me at Farnborough, which I did, and it gave me a chance to learn the new stick positions without attempting to reach Australia via the most direct root...

A very worthwhile piece of advice all in all! definitely recommend it.

Wow you guys never fail me do you, you all helped confirmed a lot of doubts. I have done some mild aerobatics with my Rappys (rolls ect) but maybe I made a mistake letting someone else set it up for me rather than doing it myself. I may be able to just about fly a helicopter but I still have much to learn.

Thanks guys